80 10 10 Diet
The 80 10 10 Diet by Dr. Douglas Graham is a raw food version of a low fat plant based diet, similar to that popularized by Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. John McDougall.
Graham, who is a lifetime athlete, has been eating a raw food diet for almost thirty years and raves about the health benefits from eating according to his method.
He has acted as dietary adviser to world-class athletes and celebrities including Martina Navratilova and Demi Moore.
Those new to raw foods may struggle with this diet as raw food takes a bit of getting used to.
80 10 10 Diet Basics
Graham proposes that the ideal ratio of nutrients to support health is:
- 80% carbohydrates
- 10% protein
- 10% fat
Other low fat vegan diets rely on cooked starches such as rice, bread, and potatoes as the main source of calories.
Dr. Douglas Graham
Graham overcomes this problem by basing his program entirely on raw foods with fruit forming the foundation of the diet. He states that fruit is the ideal food for humans and supports his claims with convincing arguments and scientific research.
Dieters are encouraged to eat mono meals of fruit where a single fruit is eaten in large quantities.
Graham also advises dieters to consume approximately a pound of leafy greens each day such as lettuce, spinach, and celery. Foods high in fat such as avocado and nuts are generally limited to a small serving every second day or so.
Although the diet is the foundation of the program Graham emphasizes the importance of addressing other lifestyle factors, which include exercise, sunlight, adequate sleep, and emotional balance.
Similar Diets to Consider
Recommended Foods
Fruit, vegetables, avocado, raw nuts and seeds, young coconut.
Sample 1 Day Meal Plan
| Breakfast 3 lbs cantaloupe |
| Lunch 1 lb bananas 1 lb mangoes |
| Dinner |
| Course 1 1 lb apricots |
| Course 2 Orange Pepper Tomato Soup (8 oz romaine lettuce 8 oz tomatoes 8 oz orange or yellow pepper Parsley sprig) |
| Course 3 Heirloom Avocado Salad (8 oz romaine lettuce 8 oz cucumber 12 oz tomatoes 6 oz avocado ¼ cup cilantro) |
Try other vegetarian recipes here.
Exercise Recommendations
An important aspect of the program is regular daily exercise. Graham advises dieters to aim to do some aerobic exercise every day and to engage in strength training three times a week.
Graham states that if you are not exercising on a regular basis then you are not following the program.
Costs and Expenses
The 80 10 10 Diet retails at $29.95.
There will be an increase in the cost of groceries due to the need for a large amount of fresh produce.
Raw Food Benefits and Recipes
Pros
- Many athletes have reported improved performance on this diet.
- Good for dieters who like eating fruit.
- Low fat diets are associated with a reduced risk of heart disease and diabetes.
- Higher in nutrients than low fat vegan diets that include cooked foods.
- Encourages the intake of fruit and vegetables.
- Encourages a physically active lifestyle.
- Provides suggestions to gradually transition into the full diet plan.
- Beneficial as a short term cleansing diet.
- Food preparation is easy.
Cons
- Highly restrictive. Difficult to eat out and in social situations.
- Requires a complete overhaul of eating habits.
- Many dieters will not enjoy eating this way.
- Some dieters may have difficulty maintaining the recommended exercise guidelines.
- Dieters will undergo withdrawal and detoxification symptoms in the initial stages especially if they are regular users of caffeine and alcohol.
- Risk of nutritional deficiency especially if intake of leafy green vegetables is not adequate.
- May be too low in protein, essential fatty acids and minerals including zinc and selenium.
- May require the use of vitamin B12 supplements.
Too Extreme for Most
The 80 10 10 diet is an extreme approach to dieting that will not appeal to everyone. It is probably most suitable for individuals who are highly committed, such as professional athletes, or dieters who have a specific goal that they hope to achieve by following this plan.
Graham improves on many of the nutritional inadequacies of other low fat vegan diets and the intake of vitamins and minerals is much higher due to the inclusion of an abundant amount of fruit and leafy green vegetables.
However many people have reported problems following a raw vegan diet and it may be difficult to support optimal health without guidance or supervision from a qualified health professional who has experience with this approach to dieting.
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this diet is a joke. their is no way you can gett all the nutrients you need to be HEALTHY with this diet. not only that, guys on this diet look anorexic
Some questions as this diet seems interesting –
How do you incorporate foods that are toxic if not cooked, as an example like taro?
Also how do you compensate for lycopene which is produced x4 when tomatoes are heated?
Reply to all with serious health issues/pain etc: detox with coffee enemas – the caffeine will get absorbed directly to the liver through the Porta system ( blood vessels sorrounding bowel connected to the liver ).
Gall bladder will also get stimulated. When liver expels a lot of toxins it can clean incoming blood a lot more efficiently and youll get a pain relief.
Healing in the body will also increase since you remove obstacles for what the body always is trying to accomplish – reverse illness into health.
Coffee enamas are used a lot in the Gerson therapy – a natural way to heal most degenerative diseases.
I did it myself as pain relief after operations/ healing breast cancer etc.
Some might say itll ruin the bowel movements but everyone I know who did the Gerson therapy or just coffee enemas for the detox benefit always regain normal bowel movements.
The herb milk thistle will also stimulate the liver and is a good supplement.
How very interesting to read ALL the above comments..
I am a clean eater and feel I have reaped all the benefits I could have from that and have hit such a wall seeing no results and find myself just wanting to binge on sugar! I have not been able to shift the stubbornest of fat – around the belly! Can anyone comment further on their results? I am one who bloats easily too.
I am definitely off to invest in the book and have a good read!
Honestly the thought to waking up and consuming x-amount of bananas is very appealing! Although I do love my oats.
Would i still be able to consume a protein supplement on the ‘diet’? Especially after weight training…
The good. This diet does work. I’m a cyclist trying to stay under 5% bodyfat. Went raw 6 months ago eating unlimited fruit, till I belch food up, always full and kept loosing weight.
The bad. I can’t do it anymore. I’m so tried of fruit I can’t look at it anymore, no matter what the fruit is and I tried most of them. All I carve is meat and breads and fat. The craving is stronger than hunger.
The worst. Social Isolation, there is no eating out ever, no daily lunches with co-workers, no going out with wife and kids, no parties. Family think you’re crazy when you show up with your own fruit. Hardest diet by far if you are the only person doing it. Impossible to get others to join.
Chris, your problem (from my perspective) is that you did this as a diet and not as a lifestyle change.
But I’m not a purist. Do what works for you. If you’re happy eating meat and cooked food, go for it. If you’re happy eating raw food then go for it. At the end of the day your way of eating shouldn’t have to feel forced and you need to feel refreshed and satisfied after every meal.
A LOT of things should be added to “cons”, like high blood sugar, weak bones and joints. Fat is vital for proper brain function, vitamin absorption, digestion, cell regeneration. This is so far away from healthy..
really really ignorant poorly researched response. You got no idea mate!
I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence for these claims.
Why would people get high blood sugar from eating fruit? A little avocado and coconut fixes the fat issue. I’m also not sure why you would think it causes weak bones, do you think cows milk makes your bones strong? oh how bout animal protein, that would also make them strong wouldn’t it?
Alex, “a little avocado and coconut fixes the fat issue”?? Are you sure? Does 10% of fat from “a little avocado and coconut really satisfy the body’s need for a balance of omega 3-6-9 oils? Is it really possible to get enough calcium along with all of the supporting nutrients needed to make the calcium absorb-able for the body by eating a diet mostly of sugary fruits? We don’t live in the garden of eden where all of the produce is chock full of nutrition and appropriate as to sugar content. I’m always skeptical of nutritional approaches that necessitate the addition of supplements because the diet cannot stand on its own as healthy. I LOVE the idea of greatly limiting meat, especially red meat, and cutting out animal products altogether for purposes of resolving existing health problems, detoxification, weight loss, fasting, etc. But some vegans and raw foodists can be so obsessive and obnoxious about their beliefs and the reasoning behind them. Americans do eat WAY too much meat and this is a problem, but after doing lots of research into different diets, I haven’t found a single one that can actually meet every nutritional need of the human body without major expenditures on supplements, kitchen appliances, the produce itself, and a host of other “suggestions,” like colonics and sometimes excessive exercise. Many of the diets that sound the best on paper will not sustain optimal health over the course of a lifetime. There is no one-diet-fits-all magic bullet. I think it’s safe to say that each persons road map to optimal health will be as unique as the individual him/herself. Diets heavy on fruit have never worked for me or anyone in my family. I guess our bodies metabolize fruits differently. I’ve already learned a lot and will continue my research.
*thumbs up* Alex
Is there a supplement for b12 that needs to be taken with this diet?
You can get you Vitamin B12 from Seamoss.
Vitamin B12 does not naturally occur in fruits and vegetables, nor does it naturally produce in animals. It is a microorganism that lives in SOIL that turns into Vitamin B12 in your body. That is why other animals do not have this deficiency – they eat grass and foods that have soil on them, which naturally is where we should get it too. Since we humans are so freaking clean to try to get the pesticides and things off of our foods, we wash away the precious vitamins down the drain. Because of this, it is necessary to supplement if you do no eat meat or meat by-products.
Since trying out a similar diet to the 80-10-10 I have been having bowel problem.. i.e (for lack of better term diarrhea) Is anyone else having these issues? My GI doctor wants to do a colonoscopy because they have checked for everything else.
Ms Liz, I bet you are. Not an 80-10-10 person, but I like to stay fit. You are consuming a very large amount of fiber and a rather extreme adjustment in diet which could put your body into a little bit of stress. Try a more gradual approach if you can. Hope this helps.
This “possible lack of nutrients” just isn’t true… If anything, cutting out the bread and crap provides more room for nutrients.
This isn’t a diet, it is a way of life. Watch Hungry For Change to see the best ways to lose weight & keep it off by following a healthy lifestyle.
A raw plants diet has made me happier and healthier than I’ve been in years.
I did about a week and felt amazing. My energy was great and my mind was so clear. I’m a nurse and I just felt really on my game. I used an app on my phone to count calories to ensure I was consuming enough. The day I didn’t count calories is the day my cravings were out of control and I at a cooked food. It felt so good and warm and comforting going down. But I had reflux, it seem to not want to digest. I felt like I at a very large amount due to the days of eating large quantities of raw food. I think my stomach had expanded so, that the cooked food wasn’t signaling my brain that I’d had enough. I felt horrible the next day, very sluggish. And I woke up to a facial breakout. I definately and praying God keeps me strong to eat the diet he intended for me.
The ULTIMATE. The HOLY GRAIL of all diets! I am on and off raw (only cooked plant based dinners) but I still stick to the 80/10/10 ratio and the results have been phenomenal. We were born with a sweet tooth for a reason – to enjoy an abundance of juicy, sweet, beautiful fruit!! Carbs for the win!
I’ve been eating 80/10/10 with cooked foods. It’s a great program, and it can be done as described, but it can also work with some adjustments.
I scrupulously followed this diet for over 2 years. At 47 years old, it gave me six pack abs in 3 months. It is an incredibly high energy and healthy diet, and extremely easy to do. The reason I stopped was because it made socializing around food nearly impossible. I still eat vegan and a tremendous amount of raw fruit and strongly believe the “fruit and shoots” diet is the natural diet of human beings. If you need to improve your health and looks, this diet will do it-in spades!
I have spent considerable time on some small coral islands in the Philippines and South Pacific where about the only edible vegetation is coconuts from palm trees. How could I have survived if I could not have eaten fish?
I’m 80-10-10 and in my best year opf health and looks at 49! Have been on this for one year and three months, before I ate a mostly fruit anf green raw diet but with too much fat. I started seeing visible results eating very little fat after just two days. My energy level is better, big health problems dissapeared, my body is now lean and muscular, it’s been great for my mood, I’m getting compliments on my skin(!) and I’m outside in the sun 8-10 hours a day – and I used to have acne.
It’s not always easy to do low fat raw but the results are so so worth it.
That said, if you don’t want to go raw or vegan at least try Natural Hygiene and food combinnig, this is what I started with 18 years ago and it has been my base.
I am worried about the number of calories. Would one gain weight? I can’t afford to, I am overweight as it is!
Hello everyone,
Over the past 4 years I tried almost every diet imaginable after suffering from acne, depression, various skin conditions, low energy, drug addiction, and serious digestive problems. Members of my immediate and extended family also suffer from other diseases such as cancer, heart disease, obesity, diabetes etc.
I have read hundreds of hours of material including 80 10 10 Diet. What I have come to believe after my research and my experimentation is that there are two basic factors that cause disease: Deficiency and Toxicity. Deficiency is caused by not enough nutrients, Toxicity is caused by too much of something. Almost everyone suffers from deficiencies and toxemia’s.
To improve our health one must get more of what is needed and less of what is not.
Almost everyone needs more fruits and vegetables. Almost everyone needs less exposure to environmental pollutants. STOP EATING JUNKFOOD and start eating RAW PRODUCE.
Personally, I have found amazing results by consuming mass amounts of sweet fruits and leafy green vegetables. These are by far the best foods for human health. It is my belief that anyone eating most of their diet in fresh produce will thrive as long as they are not using drugs, smoking, drinking alcohol, or doing other well-known destructive behaviors.
As far as other foods like grains, vegetables, meats, dairy, fish, animal products, etc. Find out what works for you. Go as far as you want in removing these foods from your diet. Getting to 50 percent of your diet in raw fruits and vegetables should have amazing health benefits and 75 or 100 could do the same. I don’t know if going 100% 80 10 10 for the rest of your life is the best for you but I do know that I am extremely satisfied with the results I have gotten by going 90-99% for almost a year 4 years ago and again recently for the past 6 months.
Almost every disease including diabetes, heart disease, obesity, atherosclerosis, etc. can be cured with a low fat vegan or low fat raw vegan diet. This has been proven over and over again by thousands of people. Try it for at least 30 days. You will be amazed.
One class of diseases that generally can not be cured with diets like 80-10-10 are neuro diseases like Essential Tremor, Parkinsons, etc. This diet may reduce symptoms, but in my experience can not entirely reverse them. If started early enough in life, a diet like this might prevent a neuro disease from occurring or even halt its progression. Unfortunately, most neuro damage, once it occurs, appears to be largely irreversible.
@Laura
Hi Laura…..Fibromyalgia is not a inherited disease. It’s a condition brought on by stress or repressed emotions. Read Dr John Sarno’s books or “Pain Free for Life” by Scott Brady and you will change your life. Diet is important but so is the emotional stuff.
Hello Greg
I was reading your comments on the 80/10/10 diet.
It seems that I may be stuck with an inherited mitochondrial disease. I had been diagnosed ten years ago with fibromyalgia and when all my vitals returned to normal, by eating better – I still suffered with extreme pain in my limbs, especially the quads. I also recently recovered from what seemed like a stroke. I am currently on very high amounts of coq10 – 1200mg/day.
I am curious as to your statement where you say that this diet will not help people with neuro. afflictions.
I am wondering what type of food program that you know of would help in these type of disease.
thank you
Laura
Windsor, Ontario
Canada
I do agree with the raw, lots of VEGGIES/greens and low fat approach but I still would not be willing to eat that much fruit. I HIGHLY believe in “everything in moderation” but you can definitely afford to splurge on greens and vegetables. Fruit is amazing, with so many benefits but that much sugar CANNOT be good for you even with all the vitamins etc. Even if it’s natural sugars, it’s way too excessive.
ALL food eaten by humans is converted to sugar. The body can not burn anything else. Also, sugar in fruit is buffered by water-fruit averages 80% water by weight-and soluble fiber. A high fresh fruit diet is actually a water diet with some sugar in it. I can tell you from over 2 years of first hand experience, humans thrive on “fruit and shoot” diets!
Or ketones! Learn a bit of biochem Greg. I actually need to be on a very low carb diet to maintain my health and not be a diabetic. High fat, low carb and mod protein have restored my health after decades of disease! Including trying veganism, raw fooding etc.
Angela, PLEASE do your research BEFORE you comment. You are 150% WRONG!!!!!!
How absolute of you to say that of a differing opinion because I believe everything in moderation. I have done my research thank you and there’s two sides to this debate and I fall upon the middle leaning to the other side. I did not say steer away from fruit completely. I just meant that anything in excess is too much and I think the only exception we can make for that are vegetables and leafy greens.
Anyone here been eating this way for more than a year or two? Would love to hear from them about their experiences.
does this work because it is so low in protein that it gives the body a chance to recover . It might be easier to do this as a forn of ‘alternate day fasting’ then yon might get the benefits without so much of the restriction.
protein …the raw food diet is rich in protein…..
Jen,
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etc
why should I go paleo?
Hardly!! Go paleo or primal for a diet with adequate protein.
The 80/10/10 is a fantastic diet short to medium term. I have seen recommendations of between 3 months to 3 years, to be safe. A few very active athletes last moderately longer. Very few people do well on it longer than that. It absolutely is not a life long diet for most unless you want a very short life.
On the other hand, since most people eat too much meat, too much cooked foods, too much fat etc. Nearly 100% of people will see tremendous even miraculous gains in health on this diet short term. I would recommend it to everyone to restore good health. I have used it myself twice. (I am 50)
Once balance is restored, then gradually add healthy other foods to your diet to make up for the long term deficiencies common to the 80/10/10. The most common long term deficiencies on 80/10/10 are B-12/DHA/EPA. So foods high in these nutrients are best.
Total nonsense. Dr Graham has been on this diet over 30 years. Many people have been on it nearly a decade. ALL are thriving.
B-12 is a deficiency common in many ppl, including meat eaters. It has a lot more to do with practices that kill the bacteria in the ground, and in our intestines, and less to do with food source. But supplementation with B12 is certainly a wise decision if u are at risk, regardless of whether u eat meat or not. DHA/EPA can be obtained from nuts/seeds and your body’s own production after consuming nuts and seeds. Chia seeds, Hemp seeds, and Flax seeds (ground) are excellent sources. This is 80/10/10 approved as well. I know several ppl who have done 811rv for much longer than 3 yrs and have thrived. It can be a great diet for those who can make the necessary changes in lifestyle. (social, calorie requirement,etc)
Oops my phone broke up my word I was saying water makes me fat at the end of my last comment
Hi I have a bunch of medical issues like Fibromyalgia scoliosis and slipped and bulging disks in my back I find it hard to stand and or walk even some days. I have been struggling with weight and need to loose some to help with pain but am in too much pain to move. I have no energy and am tired all the time I need help.
Please someone tell me if this will help me? I’m 5’5 and 190lbs and can’t loose more then 10lbs and then gain it back somehow in a day or two. I’m so upset I’m to the point I just don’t want to eat cause even want try well seems to make me fat: (
Someone help me.
Try paleo/primal they are having lots of success with people with fibro. Check out Mark’s Daily Apple and Robb Wolf sites. Lots of great info, recipes and science.
Hi, I too have Fibromyalgia and I agree with all the posts above.
1. Get rid of dairy, soy, wheat and definitely aspartame, also called Nutrasweet.
2. I did paleo for the last 2 years and had many improvements, likely because I was avoiding all the above, but was still not quite 100%
However I have just found 80 10 10 and been transitioning to the diet. So far I am starting to feel even better in just 3 weeks. I am sleeping much deeper and waking much more rested than before and I have not got to 100% raw vegan yet. I have a feeling this is the last piece of the puzzle for me.
Tammi, I am not a qualified professional or anything, but I have been on a raw food diet for about a month and a half now and I love it. I have never felt better in my life. I was about 205lbs in April and I decided I needed to change. Im 5’3 and I now weigh 177ish. I immediately lost weight when I started eating raw foods. It has made my head aches go away, my skin is clearer and my body feels alive again. I have read many articles and watched countless interviews on this subject. I have found out that raw food heals. Look up “crazy sexy cancer” and the healing process of raw foods and you will find tons of great stuff. I fully believe that this lifestyle can heal you. You just have to be committed and keep your head in the right place. Once you get through the first couple of weeks of detox,(which can be really hard for some people, like me) you feel so so good. There is nothing more rewarding than treating your body right and feeling healthy! Good luck!
Hello Tammi,
I am so sorry to hear about your health issues. I don’t know if it will help you but I have been suffering from Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (also know as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) for the last 6 years and the last 2 years I have been completely disabled. I could not work at all and had to move in with my mother. I was completely dependant on my mother. Then a couple of months ago I got into green smoothies and switched over to a vegan diet. I started to feel much better, I was able to prepare my own meals. I then started to switch over to raw vegan and felt even better. I just recently switched over to 100% low fat raw vegan (80 10 10) and I feel great! I still am not 100% I still need to pace myself but the change is incredible! I had read all these unbelievable stories about people being cured of many different illness and I found it hard to believe but it is working for me two. 3 months ago I would spend most days in bed only get up to eat. If I went into town for a few hours I would need to be in bed resting all day the day before and all the next day. Some days walking up the stairs was difficult. Since I started transitioning from vegan to low fat raw vegan I have lost 20 lbs and I am now able to jog! I have not been able to jog for the last 6 years! I have never looked this good, I am 5’5 125 lbs and still loosing weight. Well not loosing weight but still loosing inches, now I am gaining muscle. Not only have I gained energy but my brain fog has lifted! People with Fibromyalgia and ME/CFS will know what I am talking about when I say brain fog. Before I could not read, I now have my brain back in working order! I am still in disbelief about all the improvements in my health, I have a future to look forward to again! This diet has also helped my mother as well. She suffers from Fibromyalgia as well and 70% of her pain is gone and she has more energy too. We both went on a bike ride that we used to do 12 years ago when we were both healthy and at the time we thought it was a good work out. We did the ride the other day and said to each other “is that all?” we were in disbelief of our energy. There is so much more I like to say about the improvements I have experienced but I don’t want to babble on too much I just hope that the diet can help you like is has me. Start off by removing dairy, wheat and Soy. Soy was a big problem for me. The book that started me on this path was “The Beauty Detox Solution” by Kimberly Snyder. The book title makes out to sound like its aimed at ones appearance but the advice is what stated the improvements on my health. I have an idea about how much you are suffering and I hope that these diet changes help you like they have me. I urge you to try switching to raw veganism and start with “the Beauty Detox Solution” it is a great transition book! There are recipes and week long menu plans laid out as well. I would love to know how things go for you, I will keep an eye out on this site to watch for update about you. I wish you all the luck,
Ann
I cannot say if this diet will help as i have not tried it yet, BUT i too was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and was looking into buying myself a mobility scooter as i had problems walking, (chronic pain in feet and legs) and i weighed in at 238lb. I was then told about an ingredient in processed foods called Aspartame, this is banned in America (so I am led to believe) but is used widely here in UK. I googled it and found every one of my symptoms matched Aspartame poisoning and cut it completely out my diet, not an easy feat as it is in almost everything.
Within 2 weeks I was 90% pain free. I went on to loose 70lb and qualified as a personal trainer and work in a gym, Im not saying this is the answer to your problems but it may be worth looking into.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you are soon pain free as i know how debilitating it is to be constantly weighed down by it
Hip Hip Hooray Julie!!!! Unfortunately, Aspartame is NOT banned in North America. It is pure POISON. It will not help you lose weight. It puts on weight. All those poor Diabetics who are brainwashed to eat it….
Stay away from bad influences. I’ve had similar problems until I fired all my bad influence. For example if your husband eats cake around you then he must stop eating cake! If company lunches have BBQ chicken then don’t go! When exercising do an activity you will like with people who will like doing it with you. For example ride your bicycle with other bicycle riders. Basically tell your family and friends to change with you or else find new family and friends that will support your healthier lifestyle. Birds of a feather fly together and I have found it impossible to change without the support of people who want to change with me. It should not be hard. If they love you they should do it otherwise find other people that will be willing to love you.
What a selfish, ridiculous view point. Change your way of eating to make yourself stronger mentally. The world won’t change because you’re sick of being unhealthy. If you need the world to be strong for you you will always fail.
LOL, yeah, divorce your husband and desert your friends if they don’t live/eat the way you do. That’ll work.
No healthy long-lived culture (Hunza, Okinawan, etc) eats/ate this way. Whenever possible animal food has been eaten. Milk, or products from it, for ex., contain nutrients extracted from soil in concentrated amounts, in shorter time than growing vejes or grain, which bring/brawt peep quickly out of subsistence level nutrition. Yeah, these regimes, “regimes”, are good to help fat sick peep to “cleanse”, but they’re not livable over long times–it is absurd to eat alot of fruit in the northeast winter. Also, these diets only work if yer very active, because you must burn up all that sugar in your blood, or it, like any other excess nutrient becomes toxic or allergenic.
I say all this as a man leaner and meaner than McDougall, Furhman, Barnard, and the rest of these perhaps well-meaning diet preechers. Common sense is what you need. Many peep woudn’t be in the predicament of needing a special diet, justified, of all things, by biblical myths, if they had relied on common sense for choosing food and activity. The single most important activity, in nature, not in our world of human life, is–you guessed it–getting food. Animals and plants are structured to get food a certain way–tree, tiger, spider, ant
Again, no long-lived culture on earth forsook animal food unless forced to by deprivation–war, environmental catastrophe. Eating tons of fatty foods and meat, however, is not a paen to the nutrition of these excesses, but to the industrial/agricultural prowess of “western” societies.
If yer sick, get tested, find out what’s wrong. Go to an MD who practices “integrative medicine”–finding the causes of disease.
Bunk. Orangutans and other apes eat exactly like this, and they are nearly identical to us genetically. The fact that most humans have no recollection of their true biological origins is hardly an argument against this diet. Honestly try this diet and you will know the truth first hand, of what we are really designed to eat.
You really should not speak like you know what you are talking about when you do not….
Okinawans pre-1950′s consumed less than 1% animal products. Not even animals that are classified as herbivores/frugivores can be said to have consumed NO animal products, as bugs and insects are often consumed by these types of animals. I think the main issue is the proportion of animal ‘foods’ being consumed, and Americans consume far, far, far too much animal ‘foods’. Regardless on your thoughts of McDougall and others, they are reversing serious diseases with their approaches. Too much animal protein causes disease. Cultures that consume very little animal products have very little disease. It’s not a coincidence.
@John W.:
Please spell correctly in your comments. It is difficult to take your information seriously or believe you are a reliable source when you use words like “peep”, “yer”, “preechers” and “paen”.
@Marsha:
I know I am joining this after your comment one month ago. However, some people are really bad at spelling. I am not one of them and am also turned off by bad spelling. You know and I know that some very intelligent individuals simply do not spell well. So, for the sake of consideration and compassion, we could all do well to consider his points rather than simply attack the mistakes in John’s delivery.
@Marsha … Did you consider that John’s first language might not be English?! Should he shut up because he has trouble speaking English or might even have a learning disability?! I don’t think so. Please reconsider the criteria you use to take total strangers seriously or not.
I can’t imagine trying to feed a family this way…Are kids included in this style of diet? I’m lucky if I could afford it for me let alone my husband and my kids. Any thoughts???
Joelle, feeding a family like this can be super easy. You just have to find out what works for you and where you live. Farmers markets are great places to get bulk food for cheap! You can also find some factory or distribution centers that allow public distribution where you can find great food for a low budget. Its all about staying committed and planning it out, for myself at least. I had to give up some things for it, but there is seriously nothing more rewarding than this lifestyle.
If you do decide to feed your kids this way, I would maybe do some research to see what nutrients they should be getting since they are growing. Other than that, I say go for it. You don’t have to follow the 80/10/10, but a raw food diet is great! Plus having your hubby and kids do it along with you makes it a great support system! Which is the most important part. Going it alone is a difficult path. God bless!
TIPS:
Buy in bulk (i.e. Whole Foods sells cases of food for 10% disc)
Buy direct from farmers (i.e. Farmers Markets)
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This diet is impractical for obvious reasons. What I get out of his recommendations is to avoid calories that provide poor nutrition and to consume those high in nutrition. Other diets have recommended similarly. For example veggies should be served as raw as possible to maintain nutritive properties and not saturated with oily, salty, creamy or sugary sauces. Sweets should be consumed in the form of whole fruits that provide much needed fiber to regulate the absorption of sugar and not refined in pastries. Other plant sources of calories that are high in fat like nuts, seeds and grains need to become supplementary in nutrition instead of primarily. Animal food if included should be as devoid of fat as possible and included very sparsely and occasionally. Processing and preserving of food should be avoided. Traditionally societies that have eaten this way have lived long healthy lives that contributed the most towards productivity.
Lean meats are high in cholesterol and should be entirely avoided, and grains contain essentially no fat. Think of this diet as the ideal human diet; at least you’ll know what to shoot for and where to turn when your other diet keeps not working so well.
This seems to be one of the most sensible comments on the board! I agree with what u say here,which is basically the 80/10/10 diet. I use garlic and spices which would normally not be used on 811rv, and I have some cooked food too, but mostly raw fruits and veggies. It is actually way cheaper than buying meat and dairy also, and some ppl have expressed concerns over that. In the summer we go all out 811rv as we can get tons of fruits and veggies cheap at farmers markets, and even in the grocery they are cheap in season. “Animal food if included should be as devoid of fat as possible and included very sparsely and occasionally.” is by far the most important point I think!! I’m vegan for several reasons (although I acknowledge humans have probably always consumed a very small amount of animal ‘foods’ in nature), but I believe that if society followed that one point we would be so much healthier. Nutrients are our fuel/needed for repair/growth/etc, and fruits and veggies are the most nutrient dense foods, while animal foods have nutrients in them, we get them ‘second hand’. It just seems like common sense to eat a vegetarian/vegan diet IMO.
You start off saying this diet is impractical but then you pretty much confirm that it works by your comments saying to eat things as raw as possible, don’t eat processed foods or high fat foods, etc… I’m confused.
I don’t eat exactly this way, although I do eat mostly raw with some cooked veggies, beans, nuts and seeds. I have found my grocery bill has gone down now that I don’t eat processed foods, meats, and dairy. For me, I do the Eat To Live plan by Joel Fuhrman M.D. It’s saved me a lot of money and I feel better than I ever have in my whole life!! It’s a lot more doable than it may seem!
I agree with you Sarah, I don’t know how much the 80/10/10 diet would be to feed a family, but I too have found that a vegan diet of nuts, seeds, and fresh produce to be far cheaper than I originally thought it was going to be.
Those of you on this lifestyle just how much do you exercise to lose the weight? Is there anyone on here that do this lifestyle and not exercise?
i exercise at least every third day on this diet. that includes running, for distance and sprints, lifting weights, and calisthenics. i will admit as well that i do not stick to the diet in its entirety, as i eat some dairy and relatively high fat cooked foods maybe once a month to two months. but when i do cheat on this diet my body tells me almost immediately afterwards.
sorry i pressed enter accidentally… i eat 1600 to 4500 calories a day and i have lost weight to the point where i have a six pack again. a key takeaway from this is that the diet facilitates physical activity. even if you are a sedentary person right now, with a few weeks on the diet you will probably experience a sense of urgency to exercise, as i know i did. also my recovery time from workouts never stretches past two days. i was somewhat fit before i went on 801010, but there is no reason anybody should have trouble losing weight if the are transitioning from a standard american diet. this is toward the end of month four for me. no vitamin deficiencies are apparent in cronometer, thus i don’t supplement with anything. so in general, i simply feel awesome!
I am a raw vegan and I (as one with many medical issues& food allergies) am slowly switching my eating toward 80/10/10. I would love to find an open arena where people heading in the direction of low fat high carb raw eating could share problems and issues and more importantly-solutions. An expert in the 80/10/10diet open to questions about specifics is the very thing I need right now. I’m about 20 days in with my expansion of whole fruits and reduction of fats. I would love a book that points out pitfalls and charts a path that an average person could follow (one that doesn’t involve doing 80/10/10 overnight). It would be great if this book didn’t cost $29 as well : )
Anything less than the full diet will yield lesser results. Maybe lesser results are ok with you (they are for me.) Think of 80/10/10 as the ideal, then maybe find an approximation to it that you can live with. I put on a few extra pounds, have some achy joints, and not the highest energy when I went off 80/10/10, but I still follow many of its principles and enjoy better health and vigor than most people. I accept the lesser results and know what to do if I start slipping too much and really start feeling heavy.
Hello Georgina I found a book on thebookdepository.com.uk that answers questions about this diet and raw food diet in general called “The Raw Vegan Coach”
By (author) Frederic Patenaude. Just waiting for its delivery. Have a look. It only cost $14. The book depository is free delivery anywhere in the world too.
I completely agree with Heather on the long-term danger of this diet. I was one ambitious health seeker as well with a goal to reverse/manage my severe eczema and allergies.
“The vast majority of people who seriously attempt this diet run into problems, particularly weight gain for women, teeth issues, lethargy and weakness, and severe vitamin deficiencies, including A, D and B12.”
I was one of the majority. My health/rashes improved 30%-40% in the first 4 months of this diet and I was very strict. I only added organic vegan cooked whole foods after 4 months on strict 95% 80/10/10 after my rashes started reappearing again and I got sucked into the dogma that my body was “detoxing”. I suffered for another 2 months until I had full blown eczema rashes all over my body. Rashes were so bad I couldn’t walk, couldn’t extend my limbs properly without tearing my skin wide open.
I thought I was going to die. As a last resort, I tried the Raw Paleo Diet. In 6 months of Raw Paleo, I reversed 90% of my health problems and rashes. I’m still a work in progress admittedly, but this REAL natural human diet has saved my life.
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I lost 40 pounds on this diet and had six pack abs at 47. It will make you lean and mean if you actually fully implement it, which very few people are disciplined enough to do. I lasted just over 2 years on it 100%, and it was awesome. I still approximate it as best I can.
Jeff, you couldn’t be more misleading… You say women will experience weight gain on this diet. In fact its quite the opposite, all of my friends who have tried this lifestyle have lost all their excess weight forever.
Also the High fat high protein animal cruelty diet will damage you in the long run, as together the are the main causes of cancer and heart disease…
You clearly know nothing about this diet as you have mentioned Vitamin A deficiency. Do you have any idea how much vitamin A there is in Carrots, spinach, kale etc… Obviously not… D And B12 can both be obtained with suplements, If you don’t go outside and get Vitamin D from the sun…
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You can become Vitamin D deficient if you’re not eating enough fat, and that’s the case with this diet. It doesn’t matter if you’re in the sun all day….
And I have also seen people gain weight, as well as lose weight. It’s simple math: eat more than you use = gain; eat less = lose.
And how many of them exercise. How many of them are athletes? So you are going to say they don’t exercise for like an hour or two to?
Can you please tell me if this would work for someone with Type 2 Diabetes? I desperately want to change my diet, and for almost 2 weeks now have gone cold turkey on mostly veggies, and the fats you say we shouldn’t eat so much of. I don’t eat that much fruit at this point though because I was under the impression I couldn’t as someone with Type 2 Diabetes. Please let me know your thoughts because I really want to do this diet. It’s actually the way we ate when God first made the Earth. Fruits and nuts and seeds. That’s what I’m trying to get back to, but hesitant because of the diabetes. Thank you.
This diet will most definitely turn around type 2 diabetes because excess fat blocking sugar absorption into the bloodstream is what creates that particular ailment.
i am sorry to copy and paste this from a comment toward the bottom but i think it answers your questions. we learned in bio 1 in college that a blocked insulin response is THE symptom of diabetes. in type two diabetics, you can observe that when there is an increase in concentration of blood glucose, there was first an increase in lipid (fat) concentration. fats block glycoprotein receptors on the cell membrane that would otherwise react with insulin and would cause cells to uptake glucose from the bloodstream. if this insulin never meets glycoproteins being blocked by lipids, the cells never take in glucose and the glucose concentration in your blood rises. this diet is very high in sugar, but not processed sugar, and with your daily fat intake being less than ten percent of daily calories on 801010, the risk of diabetes is non-existent. cut the fat, cancel diabetes as a health risk. you should ask your doctor about this as well, i’d be anxious to hear his opinion.
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I have been living the 80/10/10 lifestyle for 8 months and I can honestly say that I love it. After watching some of Dr Grahams videos on youtube I bought the book (80/10/10 diet). Everything about this way of living just makes so much sense. After just 1 week on the diet I started exercising, which is something I never had the energy to do on a regular vegan diet. If your desire for great health and fitness is greater than your desire for eating cooked foods, then you have every chance of long term success on this diet. That said, eating low fat cooked food can still be done on this diet, but is less than optimal.
after watching alot of videos and trying this diet for a while, i agree with most views, including the negative ones. yes its healthy, yes its a good detox, the gurus are cultish and let their egos get in the way, no its not for everyone to continue permanantly, yes there can be negative side effects. i think everyone has should have a diet taliored to them. oh and by the way, financial success IS only for a few select people but for most its simply impossible, otherwise the econamy would break down. have a nice day
Karma, I agree with you completely.
Especially with the part that the gurus are a bit egotistical. There are so many opposing view points about food, health and nutrition. Just because this works for some does not mean it will work for others, that’s the beauty about the human body, everyone is build differently. Also because of the all the opposing view points people have been told so many different things thier entire lives and it’s unfair to judge those people based on what medical doctors and registered dieticians, nutritionists have advocated.
On another note I believe this diet has amazing benefits and I do believe it makes sense that you will experience more vigour if you follow it correctly and can withstand the detoxification that your body will experience however, it seems impractical to eat this much fruit and to do so does not seem environmentally friendly as the abundance of fruit is not available throughout all seasons. Karma, you’re absolutely correct in saying that the economy would crash if everyone chose this lifestyle and ALOT of people would be out of jobs.
I NEVER had a single negative side effect from this diet in over 2 years doing it 100%. I had A LOT of extremely positive side effects though. If I were stronger willed, I’d still be on it 100% instead of just a lot. I went on it cold turkey from a decent vegan diet and had no side effects at all!